This is the 2nd of my must-sees. Allow me to proudly introduce:
(coming at around 6:00pm, only 40 mins. late)
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Mountain (moderator)
Yetaai (suing China Telecom)
Liu Xiaoyuan (tried suing Sohu)
Zhang Chu
Steven Dickinson
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Yeetai
Suing China Telecom for internet control measures
January, released realcix.com
February, site unvisitable
–as an investor in the software, not much room to seek legal action
–but as a consumer, it’s easily to take China Telecom, the ISP, to court
March, all evidence and notarization was completed
May, the case was accepted
August 3, the first hearing
October 22, first verdict
Nov. 21???
Why?
To protect my own rights and interests
Taking action was easily enough, there was a contract, a notary’s letter
China Telecom gave no notification
Ended up not winning the suit
Discovered during the trial, China Telecom has 1oo,000,000 subscribers…if 1/10000 launch a class action lawsuit, transparency can be immediately obtained
The path to changing public awareness
-internet elections
-public interest collective lawsuits involve everyone’s personal interest
-pledgebank.com/saveeachother
-those interested can read his essays on how rational criticism can become standard state of affairs in CHina here
Also of note:
http://groups.google.com/group/cuihua/web
http://groups.google.com/group/cuihua/topics………………………………………………………………………………………………….
>Zhang Chu:
On punishment of students
Becoming more transparent?
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Liu Xiaoyuan
February 2006 registered a blog
Often wrote commentary, posted news, particularly legal news
A number of posts got ‘locked down’
Over the summer, June-August, they were locked down wiht no notice
8/16/2007 took Sohu to court, on grounds of illegality
And 发表权/Right of expression
Still no final word on where the case is….background here.
He expects to lose, but winning or losing is not the point.
[getting cut short D: ....Zhang Chu is speaking on the copyrightness of copying and reposting textual content onto your blog....just attribute it with a link la....]
Oh? Steve Dickinson is speaking on libel
The internet is huge
But it’s still possible to hurt people
On the phenomenon of people using fake names to smear their competitors, alleging criminal history (C.D-E, anyone?)
or
Criticism of a restaurant on the internet?
What if it’s yours, and there’s nothing wrong with it?
One gets away with this in the USA
But not in China
Libel implication still exists in China
The problem exists
And needs to be resolved
But no easy answer
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Questions from the floor
@Yetaai
Why did you lose? Lack of evidence?
China Telecom claims it wasn’t a technical error, so they have no responsibility
@The key here is that a precedent be set, for others to build off of.
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